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Yeah, hiding the cables behind means you have to have even more length, especially for that one. Since the CPU power connector is at the top of the board, you have to route it all the way up and over the top of the board. That requires a long cable, and not all CPU power cables are that long, though they're usually long. Just skimming through the reviews, most people are doing exactly what I want to do, using it to extend a CPU connector that's too short. 4.7 out of 5 stars with 18 reviews isn't bad at all.

Though, looking at 500W PSUs, even the higher rated ones seemed to have a lot of failures. Or, at least those were the "top rated" reviews. In one I was looking at (a Thermaltake) several reviews mentioned it turning off under heavy load, which sounds like a cooling issue. That's pretty sad right there. Looking at reviews like that was what made me think of extension cables, so that I can us a PSU that I know works.

It depends my most expensive psu is the one that I had most issue with a 850w from a while back
All the others have room it all depends on the case and layout.


And well uh BIG TV IS BIG

And while setting things up neighbors tree falls over just missing his car like by a inch. Branches were stuck in the rack and stuff. WOOOORRRRRRKKK BOOOM crashhh lol. First though was fuck those trees in the other neighbors yard on my cars! but it was 2 doors down. Got pics but need to figure out how to get them to the pc Phone is usbc on both ends.

Thermaltake I wouldnt touch them.
Corsair PC power and a fair few others fractals are rebrands that are good. Thermaltake is generally bottom bin. Seasonic are good on the higher end ones look for black cables and removable ones. Avoid the ones with wires coming out of the psu with seasonic as those are OEM cheapos.

I also wonder what the people were running when they had the issues. I run a pretty basic system with a mobo, CPU, one or two drives, graphics card and some fans. That's all that draws power.

Like I said, I was just starting to look when I thought about the extensions. So, the Thermaltake was literally the first one I saw. It was sorted by "featured," and I've found that components that are "featured" are usually crap because the store selling them wants to get rid of them. Though, after resorting by average customer review, a Seasonic came up first. 4.7/5 stars with about 2500 reviews. Not that I plan to buy it, but that's what came up. A lot of EVGA and Corsair in the top rated ones. Though, even with top rated ones, you see where a lot of them "blew up" peoples' computers. It really makes me wonder if people are pushing them too hard and maybe don't have adequate airflow. I take airflow very seriously and make sure all of my components can "breathe." Of course, that's also Amazon, people act like it's a damn social media site and mark reviews has helpful because they agree with them.

The one I've had for years that works great is a Rosewill. I'd imagine it had its share of failure reviews back in the day too. I just know it works for me. It has two fans, which is really nice. Knowing me, it was probably around $50 or so back in 2012. I don't go for the super expensive ones, those and the super cheapos are usually the ones with the worst ratings.

Yes, 65" TVs are BIG. We sell them were I work.

Most people are likely shorting wires getting them hung up in the case putting screws in or just plain bad luck, bad anything in a psu often leads to smoke or other things. I had way way back in the late 90s a drive bay fanset that fried my internal scsi zip drive and scsi cdrw drive. It caused a short in the rail and blew the other devices on that rail.

Most I have had were dodgy fans, on cheapos were cap hum or squeal.

Rosewill is hit or miss. Sometines they source antec (those are usually the junkers) and seasonic. Really many are just re-brands. NZXT Fractal, EVGA are all re-brands. Often of the same units. Antec was a pick the top 3 in the line up only, been that way since 97 or so. FIrst PSU was a oem Antec.

Yeah tvs, lol spent the entire day screaming at the amp I have as getting it to read spdif was a nightmare. Apparently that is the only output on most of these tvs now. EXP when you got all that content trapped in the tv, the "apps" open up a huge mess of streaming freebies and the typical usual ones. Ran a tonne of youtube 4k things a few for the cats, a HUGE fishtank. But 65 I think meh 55s are common cakes now and you look at em and think meh ok 65 is avrage, well avrage on a wall 100ft wide lol. You get fooled by those 75s 81s and 90s and think mehy 65 small.

Watched a ep of panty and stocking on first set up and oh god motion smoothing etc was on so lol. Was nuts. Sadly a lot of the brd mkvs I have error the tv and there is no sign of network devices in any connection so that option is probably nixed for US. It has no issue browsing usb sticks and hdds. NO issue detecting HDR off videos on those.

Real stink is getting the 5.1 6.1 7.1 stuff off the pc to the tv then to the amp. Loads of it just reads PCM and does a meh decoding job. (part of why most people abandoned spdif (no dts and a few other THX specs) SO, in the future a new preamp or decoder is in the cards. I have hated this amp since the day it came home so good riddance. I just worry how SHIT modern ones are if that one was so crap itself. I mean to just test a pair of rca patch cables for my sub preamp was a string of pulling teeth and fooling with onscreen settings. (FING PIONEER) I mean this thing only has one speaker hook up option for center. My previous 3 sony units had 2 terminals for bi amping or using multiple centers. So with that I found a dead spdif cable. ODD. So now I have a 12ft one running 3ft. HAH

Bit meh was having to go out and buy 45,, m8 screws. Old tv was m3 and like 15mm lol A TV 2times thicker and only 41" diag used tiny arse screws, weighs about 80lbs. 65 was 55lbs but the awkward size was hard for me, only 5'11" so my arm span is poor and I have really bad shoulders now.
Anyhow it is up, might have to see how I can maybe find a device that is networked but can hook to the tv via a usb cable or use YUCK wifi casting to play my in home videos cause PC input disables all the motion soothers and blur correction. Does help some of the meh anime out there and well I guess at 4k some of the stutter in video is more noticeable. I do not think copying 13gigs or 19gigs to a usb keyfob is productive. About as annoying as putting a bluray in the player. . . . . update watch fixed adverts on a 30usd disc etc.

Local dimming is OK but it really murders your eyes at times as bright shit is BRIGHT. and it gets funky when your browsing menus and jumping around in aps as a lot of the stuff has it's own settings. Like the pc has a really muted tone I set up Cause the win8 ui is so fucking full of WHITE it eats my eyes. But when I go to settings pages they have a default setting for backlight brightness etc and YEAOWCH. hah.
Either case tonnes of freeish programming on this. Even ep 1 of Good Eats the return. season 13 and 14 are free stream too. Video is maybe 1080i or 720p, some of the strange channels like one for australian RC shows (radiocontrol) looks like 240p lol. It is probably 480 but is so compressed it is a laugh.

What sucks is most of these apps if I used a common ISP would be well totally and completely free. So if I had COX or verizon etc cooking hgtv diy food um and a few others sci dsc would all be free. GRANTED most are so shit now. HGTV and TLC are way up there. Looked at the programs and saw shit nothing I would watch. And those were the shit back in the 90s. HGTV had joanne libler and old OLD this old house DIY had all sorts of WTF stuff like how to shoot on a SLR how to wire a radio, build pcs etc on it. TLC had well LEARNING shite on. heh. Now it is house flippers fatties whining about their fat etc.
So yeah. fun fun.


OH one thing that I was mad at really mad was hulu. Only pay for apparently on the tv. I had hoped to just sign up for the spam filled funfest and well have it as a option for silly tv stuff. But no plans start like at 8.99usd. -_-. Might get netfucks back but it is like 13usd now and a lot of shit is moving to amazon paywall channels.

Oh my I did it a gain.
WALL OF WORDS
WALLOFWORDS!!!111one
uh yeah.
TV though really has me deciding a 570 is the win. Gonna get me some games to play on that shite too lol. I see my wallpapers spread out on that screen and thing DAYEUM.
Gotta set up a marvel weekend and watch all the films in one go.

Yeah, I guess it's been a while since you last had Hulu, it's all paid now, even the ad based service. It's really just better to pay for ad free, it's only a few dollars more.

I'm not sure I'd trust a handful of M3 screws to hold up a TV that heavy. But, it obviously worked.

It sounds like you're having all kinds of fun with your new setup.

As for PSUs, I may have lucked out with that Rosewill. Though, it's also only a 400W. Less power equals less heat, plus it has the two fans. **shrugs** I don't know. Looking at components, you know how any of them can have issues. Sometimes, it's incompetent users, other times it's just luck of the draw. Though, anything with hundreds or thousands of reviews and an average rating of over 4 out of 5 can't be all bad. That's why I look at the reviews.

Opps, m6 and m8 on the screws, dunno how I got a 3 in there 
Rosewill is a random thing. Like some of the early Rosewill mechs were ducky and corsair. It is just newegg rebrand name, and yeah I think top line psu then were 600 or so. Maybe a few higher ones. Not many pcs now that need anything more than 600. If anything a server loaded with hdds needs more than a dual gpu system for gaming. Well, IMHO those always needed more for a psu as someone who had 8~12hdds in a case at any one time in the past.

Hulu was a idea while it was free and full of adverts, hulu only shows are meh. Rather pay for Flix instead. The hulu app sadly cannot be yanked but it was removed from the "HOME" bar. Wish I could make that crap smaller too, least so you could be watching something while you mess about on the bottom. Oh well. Everything outside of the TV panel itself is extras.

if you want to drive 4K, and you will because your renders will look insane, you want the card with the bigger V ram buffer.

keep in mind a 4k rez requires 1 GB just to store the single buffer and that doesn't include flipping, or Trippel buffering.  if you can get fast 8GB card get one, and should you see it has GDDR 4 !! walk away very quickly.

Buddu in Philly has been running one of these for a few months: https://www.amazon.ca/PowerColor-580-DisplayPort-AXRX-8GBD5-3DHDV2/dp/B0711QH8ZS

I have a GTX 1050ti , that I have done wel on silicon quality as it natural boosts itself into the 1700's solid and stable.

I could run still image and video as in movies ta 4K ( 7680x4320 ) max rez, but it won't run much game-wise or 3d wise Ie blende or anything using 3D at the same time.

my 2K tv looks wicked if I hook it up as a 3rd monitor but games really bust the lil' 1050ti hard.
I game in 1080p mode.

now nothing stops you running in 1080p for game son your 4K display when you game, it will look good a sit is a natural multiple.

If I run 1080p to my tv it still looks insane. it 54inch 2K only, but it looks good.  Also, some tv's natural resolution is not a perfect monitor resolution. for whatever freaking reason in monitor mode you will see 2 columns of unused pixels. I forget the  old math that TV'
s got more it's been 20+ years since I gave a shit.(AKA, was my job to know ) 
anyhow at 4k you can't even see that 2-pixel column but your video card may see it as a resolution available. that's all fine but some games hate that.

Ug back to my original point higher DPI /Rez and colour depth of a display the more rame a single frame buffer will use 2d or in 3d mode. 4k  + gamin = enthusiast-level GPU, 4k and media and simple games just needs (fast gddr5 or betetr) ram for smooth video.

this is for the media pc not my work rig. I was thinking of 1080 for games not rts as the tv has freesync and 120fps for 1080p. Suppose to have 120 on a firmware sometime this year but I doubt I will spend on a gpu that strong, 60 is good enough for movies and tv given most is 23.3

I do not play most of the games others do no morpgs no FPS shooters. Maybe the only ones that would do anything enough to need power are racing and I sorta dropped out of those when it req all the expensive gear to utilize the games well.

7680x4320 is in tv language 8k, they do not even master movies in that yet. No real plans to from what I hear either. Least not in the fx business end.

I loath the term 4k/2k but it is easier to refer to that than 2160p Cause real 4k in camera lingo is 4096X2160.
And yeah avoiding the cripple versions of the cards as AMD seem to have at least 2 to 3 variants. Dunno why. 550 has a ddr3 version vs the gddr5.

Truth be the media pc might be pushing more youturd videos than anything outside of anime and film. It is mostly due to how awkward the tv app is (add in I cannot shape suggestions etc so my account fills with shit fail vids or count down vids or trump shit) And uh SPAM!! 4k spam too lol.
ATM I do not have the cable or a proper card to output the hdr 4k shit. So it is just 1080p and I think the tv is using the upscaler on it too. cause 1080p on a 65 cannot be as smooth as I am seeing. EXP as 1080p on a 27 drives me NUTS.

I had looked at the 1030 early on cause it was suppose to have freesync (least I read about nvidia) and sip power. Wanting to lower my standby and on power usage. But the card was just stupid prices, AMD is as well but kinda in the opposite. As atm I am looking at 130usd 570 over a 140usd 550. . . . .

It is a thought to run at some odd ball rez if I do anything outside rts games on it. Say a controller game. If this upscaler is as good as they say it might be acceptable, that is if the tv supports it as hdmi has a nack of enforcing only allowed rez over native etc. All those late model 720 screens for example are 1366X765 but hdmi always enforces the basics and you have to run analog to get the panels NATIVE rez. I have to look up the rez charts again on the tv it is like 4 pages in the pdf manual. Anyhow a 180usd+ card is a bit out of the range of spending. EXP on a 6600 cpou z170mobo

I was considering this one as it is pushing just past the spending limit (well the feels of not wanting to blow too much on a HTPC)
https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-Dragon-Radeon-8GBD5-3DHD-OC/dp/B079DTJJ2V/
But the size is ehhhh. Would like to keep footprint down. Hence that funky color sapphire card.

Oh reminds me I need to replace almost all my 120s they are slowly eating themselves. That will probably cost more than a good mid to high end gpu alone T_T.

That's a nice looking card.

I got my replacement Ryzen (the actual Ryzen this time) and my extension cables for the PSU. So, I already swapped the PSUs back, I'm currently running the desktop rig now fully assembled as it was meant to be. And, I'm putting the gaming rig back together. I just have a few more connections to the PSU to do and then I can close it up and boot it up.

Quote from: MadKoifish on Sep 08, 2019, 02:02 pmOpps, m6 and m8 on the screws, dunno how I got a 3 in there 

Yeah, that's a little bit of a difference. Still, not huge screws.

Quote from: MadKoifish on Sep 08, 2019, 02:02 pmRosewill is a random thing. Like some of the early Rosewill mechs were ducky and corsair. It is just newegg rebrand name, and yeah I think top line psu then were 600 or so. Maybe a few higher ones. Not many pcs now that need anything more than 600. If anything a server loaded with hdds needs more than a dual gpu system for gaming. Well, IMHO those always needed more for a psu as someone who had 8~12hdds in a case at any one time in the past.

Yeah, I probably just lucked out on the Rosewill. That's fine. I always go by the graphics card when I'm figuring a PSU. I know the rest of the system can easily run on less than 200W. Some newer Nvidia cards claim to need 500W or greater, but I have my doubts. The older ones, like the GTX 950 that I have in my desktop only needed 350W or greater. It's in the specs on the Newegg page:

https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-gtx-950-02g-p4-1953-kr/p/N82E16814487250

Quote from: MadKoifish on Sep 08, 2019, 02:02 pmHulu was a idea while it was free and full of adverts, hulu only shows are meh. Rather pay for Flix instead. The hulu app sadly cannot be yanked but it was removed from the "HOME" bar. Wish I could make that crap smaller too, least so you could be watching something while you mess about on the bottom. Oh well. Everything outside of the TV panel itself is extras.

Yeah, I hear you. If it's not free, you don't want it. When I had hulu, I really only upgraded to the no ad plan for mobile, as no ads meant I could easily watch a 1 hour show on my phone on the bus ride to work. With ads, I wasn't always getting the shows finished, especially older ones that were made at a time of less commercials. Otherwise, I never really had an issue with Hulu's ads.

Ok still looking at gpus, finding a few 8gb buffer 570s. The 580s at any flavor are WAY out of the price limit.

Real issue is the powercolor cards are saying 275wtdp vs 120w of the saphirre.
So the 8gb ones are a XFX and a powercolor. Issue is never owned anything from either brand. XFX looks super LQ both have terrible video options on youtube.

Also these seem to be larger cards. Even that sapphire is large. I really wanted a stubby but sadly those prices are a joke or it means stepping down to a 550 and a higher price. There is a sapphire 8gig but it is way over price limits at 195usd. I just dunno if that 8gigs is really needed as I wont be playing things like fortnight or whatever people are playing for kill em alls.


https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-Dragon-Radeon-8GBD5-3DHD-OC/dp/B079DTJJ2V

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-1286MHz-Graphics-RX-570P8DFD6/dp/B077VX31FZ

Also considering the 4gb MSI Amour or even gaming. Just for the msi name, my exp with msi is usualy fucked up mobos but that WAS back in 2005.
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Gaming-256-bit-DirectX-Graphics/dp/B07QS74XG3
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-RX-570-GAMING-4G/dp/B06Y15M48C
gaming 8gig sold out at amazon. Same for gygabyte stuff. All break the short length rule but well damn. Shrug.
Anyhow what my key wants are size low watts decent performance to push 4k video. HDR 4k over hdmi@60fps+ And build quality IE poly caps good chokes etc. Something that will last and I mean 5+ yrs not 1yr.
I also REALLY REALLY do not want to spend more than 150usd. Original ceiling was 100usd. I have already lost my bluetooth keyboard to the tv.
Looking AMD cause well Nvidia for the same performance are fucking exp. 300usd for a 1050? BS.


The 570s are really kinda pushing it too. The wattage and the sizes are going to disable the whole point of a itx mobo. I am even considering 560s but if memory serves it is a real step down from the 570. hard to call as most performance charts are all FPS gaming type comparisons. I do not care about FPS games.

AND super yes I will likely game any 3d stuff at 1080p whateverfps over 60. I mean I might see 4k in a slower moving rts but most console games I will emulate nah wont see shit as the upscaler on this tv is pretty good.

I MIGHT install and load up max on it to just see what a viewport is like in 4k but heh. Loading up some of my hiugher rez SOTL (8k) images as raw on a keyfob was nice. heh.


Yeah free tv that samsung spam tv thing isnt bad it was what loaded in set up and was playing LEXX lol. They have a channel that is this old house 24/7 lol. I think it is all 480p though or lower. Loads of Canadian shows and strange Australian ones.

Oh wow saw a msi gaming next to someones face that thing is WIDE. Armor appears OCed out of the box kinda ehhhh about that. 
Guess the gaming would fit the itx mobo as a lot of bits are red, ram was suppose to be black but at the time it was 50usd more.

And yes it has a stock HSF, had to take the 112+ or whatever the coolermaster hsf was off for another overheating POS.

Oh and yes I only have 2sets of 2 cables of 6pin connectors for this psu. So meh. Have to use adapters. I did have plans to get a itx mini psu at some point. As most cases I like use them or itr makes for easier mounting. Plans were for a nice small case or to build a tardis out of wood to house it. I think the latter might never happen as the footprint would result in a pretty large overall model. Think when I did the specs the itx footprint meant it would be nearly 32"tall.


Alsp super wierd is my tv shows up as a media device and a NAS in windows7. ERRm

Also noticed most of those are all sold not by amazon so even more meh. Already seen a few MSI 8gig cards and others that read very dodgy sold by 3rd party. now I dunno if fulfilled by amazon means the seller sends product to the fulfillment warehouse or if it is amazon offering discount purchasing of stock. If it is prior then there is no guarantee that it is a real card.
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-RX-570-ARMOR-8G/dp/B076Y93L8F
smells dodgy. . .
Also now looking at 1650s too as most of them are much shorter for a bit less power. And a load less heat. Issue is freesync, nvidia says it will work but dunno if it is implemented or active.  OK maybe not seems the 1650 is an aborted fetus. Though the reviews might be gamer leanings as it doesnt seem to fit a slot. But most reviews are old so pricing has changed up some. eugh so much for the buy some cheapo pos whatever.

Looking at newegg,
https://www.newegg.com/msi-radeon-rx-570-rx-570-armor-8g-oc/p/N82E16814137256?Item=N82E16814137256
20 off promo then add the 20 debit card thing. Latter might not happen been screwed on most of these for the past 5yrs.
anyhow 149USD + 20rebate then again 15usd tax. PHUWAH.

MSI seems OK these days, but I can't guarantee it. There was a problem with my gaming rig that I think was the MSI motherboard, but I can't be sure. Ironically, I replaced it with another MSI mobo. I now have the same mobo in my desktop, so I hope they're solid. The MSI Radeon card I have is fine, I've had no issues with it.

Yeah, NVIDIA is overpriced. They have a reputation as being the best for gaming, and they use that reputation to charge more.

Well nvidia got full of themselves when amd dropped off prior to the 400series of RX cards. That and nvidia always had the less shit of the software. Still sorta does driver updates for nvidia are a 2min affair AMD it is always a download then download again for 45min and get spammed a tonne not to mention spam in the software. Nvidia has let freesync in but only on the 2 most recent gpus. And well atm the prices are real stupid. If I remember prices just before this stupid crypto bullshit were fairly close to performance. But now with 1070 and 2070s twice the price of a 770 870 970 its just in a realm of stupid. Who is going to pay 600usd for a 3rd tier card. 2080 2080ti and titan or whatever the next few super cards are. ok seems a new 20series titan isnt out yet.
Either way a 2080ti can push 1300usd. Thats ridiculous. Oh wait I am super wrong, more like 2500usd. Titan rtx sheesh. Funny 1080ti run a bit higher price by about 100usd. strange.

Build the rest of the pc for 400usd or less and pay two times that for the gpu. meh. All reason I am still using a 770.

The video cards if I could find a gygabyte Asus or even EVGA without paying twice the price for from some scalper Id do it but well the 500s from AMD are 2 yrs old and nothing new so far. Not surprised as GlobalFoundries is dicking around suing instead of making and they quit 7nm chips, well didnt go to. Of all things SAMSUNG are making the 500 cards, least the chips.

Oh yeah that reminds me AMD often did not do so well in MAX. Viewport performance was not that great. And gpu render isnt really there. unless you use nitro and for the stuff we do it isnt fit for purpose. It is more for fast output architectural or game rendering.

Anyhow probably end up with that sapphire, the MSI gamingX is a dodgy seller and not avalible elsewhere, the powercolor has shit support and bad rep on build quality (missing parts like screws surface mount and thermalpaste/pads) And the XFX just look bad.