Well, as some of you know, my tutorial Enterprise was lost in a hard drive crash. So, I'm going to build an even more accurate model (accurate to the 11 foot filming model), if I can. I know it doesn't look like much, but here's a start. And I don't have as much time to devote to this as I would like.
And yes, there's a very specific reason why I haven't cut in any windows yet. Plus, I may have to remake the neck, I'm not sure yet. I have to do some more research.
It looks great, bro.
Quote from: scifieric on Oct 09, 2019, 12:00 amI know it doesn't look like much, but here's a start.
It looks like a lot to me. That teardrop alone takes a while to do. Plus, if you're going for super accuracy, then you're continuously checking references, which slows things down.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Oct 09, 2019, 12:17 amIt looks great, bro.
Thank you, Chris! I appreciate that a lot!
Quote from: scifidude79 on Oct 09, 2019, 12:17 amIt looks like a lot to me. That teardrop alone takes a while to do. Plus, if you're going for super accuracy, then you're continuously checking references, which slows things down.
Yep, I tried two different methods for the BC Deck. I still have to go back and flatten out the back of the "drop" a little more.
I appreciate the encouragement. And I am checking references ... a lot!
I had to do the very back of my teardrop more than once, then there was still some fiddling with it before I finalized the Sub D. Then there were the inevitable renders to look for errors. So, yeah, it's not really a part you can rush.
Looks like your off to a great start with this.
Even with the Tut you posted on the YouTube, that B/C deck is a pain in the arse to get right.
Thanks guys!
A little more progress. No textures, just materials to make renders a little easier to see.
That's looking fantastic.
A little more work every day.
Everything looks nice and smooth. :)
Thank you, my friend!
Very Nice Mate!
Thank you, Dean!
Didn't really have any time to work on this much last night or today, so I only put in some placeholders for warp engines, warp pylons, and the shuttlebay doors. But, small progress is still progress.
Amazing work Eric. You are going to end up with the most accurate Enterprise model there is.
Quote from: Tralfaz on Oct 15, 2019, 02:24 amAmazing work Eric. You are going to end up with the most accurate Enterprise model there is.
Thank you, my friend! (Don't tell anyone, but that IS my goal! LOL!)
All it would take to make the doors not temporary is some lines.
Stunning as always!
Quote from: scifidude79 on Oct 15, 2019, 06:50 amAll it would take to make the doors not temporary is some lines.
I was thinking along the same ... lines. ;)
Quote from: Freak on Oct 15, 2019, 06:59 amStunning as always!
Thank you, Dean!
Oddly, even though I've been thinking throughout the week about how much I wanted to work on the model, when the weekend got here (I've been on call all week) I was too tired!
But, I changed the angulation and placement of the pylons and changed the positioning of the temporary warp engines. I did a couple of quick test renders to see how they compared with screen captures, even though I have no idea about the camera type nor the lenses used in the original series. Anyway, I figure they're close enough to warrant continuing. But, I'm open to opinions.
It looks good to me. I hear you about thinking you're going to do one thing over the weekend but then doing something totally different.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Oct 20, 2019, 09:34 pmIt looks good to me. I hear you about thinking you're going to do one thing over the weekend but then doing something totally different.
Thank you, Chris! I completely remade the Engineering Hull tonight. I think it's better.
Looking Good Eric.
I hate it that you plan to do one thing over the weekend, when it comes you end up doing something else.
Quote from: Freak on Oct 21, 2019, 06:10 amLooking Good Eric.
I hate it that you plan to do one thing over the weekend, when it comes you end up doing something else.
Thank you, Dean. Yeah, the older I get, the more tired I get from 24x7 call. Still, I did get SOME work done on her!
Really tired today, but still managed to get a little work done.
I tried a slightly different method for the "arms" on the Engineering hull. And those with a sharp eye may notice something about this model that I've always wanted to do, but never did before.
That looks great. What was your different method for doing the "arms?" I like that you're doing the pilot deflector dish and bussards too. Are you going to give that one the taller bridge too?
Quote from: scifidude79 on Oct 26, 2019, 10:17 pmThat looks great. What was your different method for doing the "arms?" I like that you're doing the pilot deflector dish and bussards too. Are you going to give that one the taller bridge too?
Thank you, Chris!
I still use the proto arms to cut most of the flat area, but I also used a small section of the arm to cut into the front section of the hull. It gives me a sharp demarcation and should make it easier for me to texture.
And yes, I will be making both pilot versions, the production version, and wrap it up with a The Trouble with Tribbles version! Including the various bridge sections!
Nice! Sounds like you've got grand plans.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Oct 27, 2019, 02:02 amNice! Sounds like you've got grand plans.
Yeah, this is something that I've wanted to do since I made my first ship in Truespace. I had the idea ... AFTER I built the model. I realized that it would have been easier if I built the ship and THEN cut in all the windows and such. That way I could make any version I wanted. So, I'm doing that this time. I'll make all the parts, then save a base version and then start laying out windows, ports, and such. Then I'll texture.
I usually like to texture as I go, but this is the exception to the rule. I may even texture before laying in the final details. Hm. I have an idea.
I ran off a few test renders to see if the shapes are close. I tried to match (or come close) to some reference photographs I've got.
That looks fantastic, the shapes look great to me.
Quote from: scifieric on Oct 27, 2019, 03:08 amYeah, this is something that I've wanted to do since I made my first ship in Truespace. I had the idea ... AFTER I built the model. I realized that it would have been easier if I built the ship and THEN cut in all the windows and such. That way I could make any version I wanted. So, I'm doing that this time. I'll make all the parts, then save a base version and then start laying out windows, ports, and such. Then I'll texture.
I used to do the pilot version(s) when I did a model, but I don't do that anymore. It's definitely easier to plan that as you go, especially before you do the windows.
Stunning as always Mate!
Quote from: scifidude79 on Oct 27, 2019, 09:28 pmI used to do the pilot version(s) when I did a model, but I don't do that anymore. It's definitely easier to plan that as you go, especially before you do the windows.
Yeah, I meant to do pilot versions before, I just never got around to them!
Quote from: Freak on Oct 28, 2019, 08:09 amStunning as always Mate!
Thank you, Dean!
I got the rear end section of the warp engines. It took me two attempts.
The last image is an orthographic side shot.
Yeah, those end caps are a pain in the ass. Yours look great, though.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Oct 30, 2019, 01:31 amYeah, those end caps are a pain in the ass. Yours look great, though.
Chris, thank you very much!
Very Nice Mate!
Thank you, Dean!
A little work on the warp engines last night.
Engines are looking great!
Have to shape my silver grill, but at least the grill is made.
New grill. I have an experiment going on for when I twist the grill into shape. I haven't done it yet, maybe tonight.
The grill and other details are looking sweet. :)
Quote from: scifidude79 on Nov 06, 2019, 01:38 pmThe grill and other details are looking sweet. :)
Thank you, my friend!
I'm happy with the results of tonight's experiment with shrinkwraping the grills to an invisible stretched cylinder.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/67WarpGrills-B.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/67WarpGrills-C.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/67WarpGrills-D.png)
This is absolutely brilliant Eric.
Quote from: Tralfaz on Nov 07, 2019, 04:55 amThis is absolutely brilliant Eric.
Wow! Thank you, my friend!
loving that grill.
Very nice work mate!
Quote from: Freak on Nov 07, 2019, 08:43 pmloving that grill.
Very nice work mate!
Thank you, Dean!
Sometimes I want to break from my plan of modeling everything first and just go right into finishing some version of this model.
So, to tamp down that urge, I make the occasional render. I've always wanted to make 2nd pilot model renders.
I love those shots, bro.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Nov 08, 2019, 11:30 pmI love those shots, bro.
Thank you, my friend! I appreciate that!
Very Cool, loving those materials on the deflector.
Stunning just Stunning!
Quote from: Freak on Nov 09, 2019, 07:33 amVery Cool, loving those materials on the deflector.
Stunning just Stunning!
Thank you, Dean!
The materials are just temporary. The second pilot Enterprise actually had a reddish hue of paint on the warp domes AND the deflector dish. So, for accuracy's sake, I'll probably do that. However, since I'm making multiple versions this time, perhaps I'll make an "idealized" version as well.
Did a VERY small amount of work tonight. Just feeling plain tired.
These are simple test renders to see if I'm on the right track. I think (for the first time) I may have the warp engines near the right place.
One render is for the early production version of the ship. I hadn't realized that they only made the opening titles AFTER they had the lights in for the production model.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/69ProductionOrbit-D.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/69SecondPilotForward.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/69SecondPilotForward-A.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/69SecondPilotForward-B.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/69SecondPilotLeaveOrbit-F.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/69SecondPilotRear-C.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/69SecondPilotSide-E.png)
It looks good. Yeah, I don't think the windows lit up on the original opening, but the running lights may have.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Nov 11, 2019, 01:47 amIt looks good. Yeah, I don't think the windows lit up on the original opening, but the running lights may have.
Good observation. I'll be killing all the lights for my first pilot version. There was no lighting at all on either model in The Cage.
I didn't think there was any. For one thing, all but one shot was done with the 33" model. While it was never built for production use, they had to use it due to the 11' not being done.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Nov 11, 2019, 01:18 pmI didn't think there was any. For one thing, all but one shot was done with the 33" model. While it was never built for production use, they had to use it due to the 11' not being done.
Correct, with one exception. The intro shot with the Enterprise entering the frame from the left and the camera is below, then swings up to the bridge. That one shot was the only one done with the 11 foot model for the first pilot.
Well done, Chris!
Nice Eric.
Quote from: scifieric on Nov 11, 2019, 02:37 pmQuote from: scifidude79 on Nov 11, 2019, 01:18 pmI didn't think there was any. For one thing, all but one shot was done with the 33" model. While it was never built for production use, they had to use it due to the 11' not being done.
Correct, with one exception. The intro shot with the Enterprise entering the frame from the left and the camera is below, then swings up to the bridge. That one shot was the only one done with the 11 foot model for the first pilot.
Well done, Chris!
Like I said, all but one shot was done with the 33" model. ;) That's the one I was referring to.
Quote from: Freak on Nov 11, 2019, 03:08 pmNice Eric.
Thank you, Dean!
Quote from: scifidude79 on Nov 11, 2019, 10:24 pmLike I said, all but one shot was done with the 33" model. ;) That's the one I was referring to.
You know, I can't pay attention for the LIFE of me anymore.
Nice going, Chris!
I changed the size and positions of the lower running lights and that group of three lights under the lip of the saucer.
Looking at my last render gave me an idea. I subtlety changed the placement of both the lower running lights and the two groups of three again. They should rest in the center of that lower lip. So, even if my overall shape isn't correct, at least I've got the lights placed a little better, at least I think so.
Well, I can't tell much of a difference between the images, but it looks good.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Nov 16, 2019, 10:53 pmWell, I can't tell much of a difference between the images, but it looks good.
Thanks for the encouragement, Chris!
Yeah, the change is really subtle. If you have both images up at the same time and switch between one and the other, you'll see the lights jump a little bit. That's the "big" change.
Quote from: scifieric on Nov 17, 2019, 04:40 amIf you have both images up at the same time and switch between one and the other, you'll see the lights jump a little bit. That's the "big" change.
I tried that but, due to how attachments work on here, the images were really tiny.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Nov 17, 2019, 05:42 amI tried that but, due to how attachments work on here, the images were really tiny.
Ah. I use Firefox and haven't tried anything else, but if you right mouse click on the thumbnail and Open Link in New Tab, you should get the full sized image.
Sorry, my friend.
I use Firefox also, and it wasn't working earlier, for some reason. I don't know why. It's working now, though. I could kind of see the movement before, but it's much more evident when I do that.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Nov 17, 2019, 07:35 amI use Firefox also, and it wasn't working earlier, for some reason. I don't know why. It's working now, though. I could kind of see the movement before, but it's much more evident when I do that.
I'm glad you could finally see it! Excellent.
Thought I was going to start on the windows today. But changed the "triangles" and made the triangle bases. Changed the pilot warp domes.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/72Pilot002.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/72Pilot003.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/72PilotCompareA.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/72PilotCompareB.png)
"I changed the triangles and warp domes"
First image shows the planetary sensor and nav deflector. :P
Seriously, everything is looking great. I take it the nav deflector and warp domes are the same material.
I am loving the materials you put on this.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Nov 18, 2019, 01:07 amFirst image shows the planetary sensor and nav deflector. :P
Seriously, everything is looking great. I take it the nav deflector and warp domes are the same material.
LOL!
Thank you, Chris!
Yes. And it was almost a mottled reddish, brownish, copper. I'll be making a proper texture for it later.
Quote from: Freak on Nov 18, 2019, 11:26 amI am loving the materials you put on this.
Thanks Dean! They're all placeholders.
Placeholder or not, they look great!
Quote from: Freak on Nov 19, 2019, 03:29 pmPlaceholder or not, they look great!
Thanks Dean!
Okay. New Engineering section "arms". Someone pointed out a couple of things on my wire frames over on the Trek BBS. So, I've added a 12 degree curve to the back of the "scooped" out section of the arms.
This also gives a closer-to-the-original curved end to the "scooped" out section of the arms. It's a lot rounder this way and less triangular.
I'm fairly satisfied that a 12 degree curve is close to the original.
Forgive the lack of fantail yet, I have to cut that out later.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/73NewEngineeringArmsA.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/73NewEngineeringArmsB.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/73NewEngineeringArmsC.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/73NewEngineeringArmsD.png)
Great work again Eric and things are looking really good. I've said it before and I will say it again, I love the TOS Enterprise (except for the CGI Enterprise used in the remastered episodes).
Quote from: Tralfaz on Nov 24, 2019, 10:21 pmGreat work again Eric and things are looking really good. I've said it before and I will say it again, I love the TOS Enterprise (except for the CGI Enterprise used in the remastered episodes).
Thank you, my friend!
Looking grea, Eric.
Quote from: Tralfaz on Nov 24, 2019, 10:21 pm(except for the CGI Enterprise used in the remastered episodes).
What?! What's not to like? That model was sufficiently mediocre. :P
Quote from: scifidude79 on Nov 24, 2019, 11:18 pmWhat?! What's not to like? That model was sufficiently mediocre. :P
LOL!
New "arm" is looking good!
I put the fantail back in.
Always such a fun bit to do. ;) It looks good.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Nov 25, 2019, 12:10 pmAlways such a fun bit to do. ;) It looks good.
Thank you, Chris!
Starting on the first pilot textures. And for a change of pace, I figured I'd start on the bridge area. There is only one true texture on this so far, that's the blue/green with dirt hull. Everything else, including signage, is all modeled ... at least thus far.
Very nice. :)
Looking Good Eric.
Thanks guys! I know it's not much, but I wanted to make a LITTLE progress this weekend.
I've been having a discussion about the true shape of the Engineering section over on the TrekBBS. I got to the point where I rendered out an image of my "Production" Enterprise just for fun.
Looks good, bro.
The true shape of which engineering section? Jefferies' original drawings? His revised drawings? The 33-inch shape? or the 11-foot shape? Because, they're all different. ;)
Nice Mate.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Dec 19, 2019, 11:37 pmLooks good, bro.
The true shape of which engineering section? Jefferies' original drawings? His revised drawings? The 33-inch shape? or the 11-foot shape? Because, they're all different. ;)
Thank you, Chris! And yeah, they're all different. I'm not letting it stop me. And besides, I'll probably stop making versions when I'm dead. :D
Quote from: Freak on Dec 20, 2019, 10:43 amNice Mate.
Thank you, Dean.
I was just wondering which of the shapes you were discussing. For my own models, I like to go with whatever looks closest to what was seen on screen the most, which is the 11" model, of course. But, it is interesting to note the differences. Jefferies' original design is cool, but the swell on the bottom was harder to do on a lathe when the 33" model was made.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Dec 20, 2019, 01:46 pmI was just wondering which of the shapes you were discussing. For my own models, I like to go with whatever looks closest to what was seen on screen the most, which is the 11" model, of course.
Oh, for me, the 11 foot model, every time. I love that model!
I was feeling kind of down today. Slept a large part of the day away. I am still recovering from a cold, so that's probably the reason. That, and I've been thinking about my departed pets. So, I did something that always brings me some happiness. This shot from near the end of the original Star Trek series episode "Metamorphosis" is one of my favorites. I keep trying to make my Blender 3D model look more like the original.
I found that my animation for my warp lights is gone in this scene, so they are all lit.
I've got to finish my latest project. I want to get my model looking more like the original.
Thanks for looking in.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/enterprise/blender/Metamorph002ShipAndStars.png)
I'm sorry to hear you haven't been feeling well. That image looks great, though.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Dec 29, 2019, 02:55 pmI'm sorry to hear you haven't been feeling well. That image looks great, though.
Thank you, Chris!
If there is someone who says the words "cold" or "flu" I'm instantly sick. Kind of ironic, considering I work in a health system.
Got motivated to do a little work on my new model. Getting there. Need to change the "upper" row of windows on the lower saucer.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/enterprise/blender/75SaucerWindowsDetail.png)
Even replicating the "lit" windows like on the original. They were drawn on.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/enterprise/blender/75SaucerWindowsDetail2.png)
I didn't know that about the windows. Great job as always.
Quote from: Tralfaz on Dec 30, 2019, 04:40 pmI didn't know that about the windows. Great job as always.
Thank you, my friend!
Sorry to hear your feeling to well mate.
But the old girl is looking great!
Quote from: Freak on Dec 31, 2019, 06:51 amSorry to hear your feeling to well mate.
But the old girl is looking great!
Thank you, Dean!
I'm sorry that progress has been so slow lately. Here is something just for fun.
This is meant to resemble one of the publicity shots for The Cage.
No need to worry about progress, we all know thing can get in the way.
Loving this picture.
Quote from: Freak on Jan 04, 2020, 07:39 amLoving this picture.
Thank you, Dean! Yeah, I set it up to resemble the opening shot from The Cage, which was used in a bunch of other episodes as time went on.
That's not from The Cage. That's the ship maneuvering to come alongside the Antares in Charlie X. :P
Quote from: scifidude79 on Jan 04, 2020, 10:24 pmThat's not from The Cage. That's the ship maneuvering to come alongside the Antares in Charlie X. :P
LOL! Awesome. And correct! LOL!
So, is this your model or from the TV episode?
Eric you are the embodiment of how to bounce back and just do it all, better.
Quote from: Tralfaz on Jan 05, 2020, 04:44 pmSo, is this your model or from the TV episode?
I do apologize. That last image was a screen capture from the episode Charlie X. It was just to show what scifidude70 (Chris) was talking about. It's the exact same shot of the 11' model that was used in the first two pilots, and also The Corbomite Maneuver.
Quote from: oovebei on Jan 05, 2020, 05:50 pmEric you are the embodiment of how to bounce back and just do it all, better.
LOL! Thank you for the optimistic appraisal, my friend!
Here are some small bits of progress. It's not much, but at least it's not nothing. (Grammarians would go NUTS with that last sentence!)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/A-Compare-ShipAndStars-001.png)
A couple more just for fun.
"but at least it's not nothing. " it's also very true .
It is something .
Dang I been fighting grammarians for all my life it seems . And Spelling Nazis! LOL
looks good man .
Quote from: Prime_8 on Jan 06, 2020, 04:10 pm"but at least it's not nothing. " it's also very true .
It is something .
Dang I been fighting grammarians for all my life it seems . And Spelling Nazis! LOL
looks good man .
Thank you, my friend!
Didn't have time to work on the model, but I did have an idea how to make changes to my camera settings. I think it is a little closer to the photograph I am trying to duplicate.
What did you do to the camera? Change focal length or ISO?
Quote from: Tralfaz on Jan 08, 2020, 03:21 amWhat did you do to the camera? Change focal length or ISO?
For this particular image, I changed the sensor size to 16 and the Focal Length to 50. I think it gets closer to matching how the model looks in the photograph I was trying to mimic. But it only was about making the model look correct. The first version of this that I did made the warp engines look entirely too long.
Also, when the time comes and I make a serious attempt to duplicate the original photograph, I'll want to change the color management settings as well as the lighting. Not to mention that the model isn't finished yet. But, small steps first.
What have we said before about trying to pass off real pics as renders? ;)
Quote from: scifidude79 on Jan 08, 2020, 10:20 amWhat have we said before about trying to pass off real pics as renders? ;)
Thank you, Chris! That honestly made me laugh out loud!
A little tiny bit of progress.
Made some changes to my temporary textures and added more of the windows and ports. The spires on the warp domes are now gold. The "glass" textures no longer makes those fireflies. It's a mix of transparent and metal.
The angles I selected where based off of pictures taken by the original effects crew when they got the 11 foot model, and an image from the second pilot. I should get to the banners today on the Engineering Hull and perhaps the warp engines. Then I hope I can start to texture.
It looks good.
Stunning as always!
Quote from: Freak on Jan 13, 2020, 07:36 amStunning as always!
Thank you, Dean. You are too kind!
looks good mang .
the attention to details when building somethin cannon or to/from a known source would be more pressure than i would call fun . you're all nuts .. but in the good kinda way .
Quote from: Prime_8 on Jan 13, 2020, 04:20 pmlooks good mang .
the attention to details when building somethin cannon or to/from a known source would be more pressure than i would call fun . you're all nuts .. but in the good kinda way .
LOL! Thank you, Scott! I love to try to get a model to look like something that already exists. For me, it takes a lot of pressure OFF! :D
Here's a test for the placement of the pennants for our lovely starship!
They look good. Are you going to cut them in or just shrink wrap them?
Quote from: scifidude79 on Jan 15, 2020, 11:05 amThey look good. Are you going to cut them in or just shrink wrap them?
Excellent question. I haven't decided yet, which is why I stopped there. I was thinking about cutting them in this time. If I do, it would help with texturing. If I don't, it's easier to swap out the lettering for another ship.
How easy it is to swap names and registries with textures depends on how you make your textures. I make mine in Inkscape, and it's simple to change names and numbers. Then I just have to save the texture as another name and apply it to the model. Though, most vector graphics drawing programs would make it easy.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Jan 15, 2020, 02:18 pmHow easy it is to swap names and registries with textures depends on how you make your textures. I make mine in Inkscape, and it's simple to change names and numbers. Then I just have to save the texture as another name and apply it to the model. Though, most vector graphics drawing programs would make it easy.
Excellent point! Thanks Chris!
Different material settings, different materials, different render settings ... and some of the registries and pennants.
Looking great. Those glass domes on the nacelles are particularly fantastic. They look real enough to touch.
Really Need that like button. ;)
Quote from: scifidude79 on Jan 16, 2020, 05:59 amLooking great. Those glass domes on the nacelles are particularly fantastic. They look real enough to touch.
Quote from: Freak on Jan 16, 2020, 07:51 amReally Need that like button. ;)
Quote from: scifidude79 on Jan 16, 2020, 12:24 pmAgreed.
Thank you, guys!
I did something to the side image for fun last night. Same image with some desaturation, higher contrast, and simulated film grain.
It feels like a lot of work for only a little progress.
I do think I have pretty close to the final settings for my textures. The bridge is textured, all the rest are materials.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/85-Details-D.png)
Ignore the neck, I'm still adjusting the colors and material settings. I'll have more control over the final result when I actually texture the thing. This shot is to imitate one of the publicity shots of the 11 foot model of the Enterprise after it was delivered by Datin's team. I'm starting to get fairly happy with it.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/85-Details-E.png)
And another homage to yet another first pilot 11 foot Enterprise publicity shot. Not quite there, but getting closer.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/85-Details-F.png)
Also, wanted to have some fun. Not the right version of the Enterprise, not the right font, and the wrong screen ratio, but still fun (for me)!
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/WhereNoManFun03.png)
Very Cool.
Loving that last picture.
Looking great. That WNMHGB title plate looks legit.
Quote from: scifieric on Jan 17, 2020, 03:22 amIt feels like a lot of work for only a little progress.
That's a pretty good summary of doing CGI right there.
Quote from: Freak on Jan 17, 2020, 08:01 amVery Cool.
Loving that last picture.
Thank you, Dean!
Quote from: scifidude79 on Jan 17, 2020, 01:59 pmLooking great. That WNMHGB title plate looks legit.
Quote from: scifieric on Jan 17, 2020, 03:22 amIt feels like a lot of work for only a little progress.
That's a pretty good summary of doing CGI right there.
That made me chuckle! And thank you, my friend.
Quote from: scifieric on Jan 17, 2020, 04:38 pmThat made me chuckle!
It's true, though. We all know it. You can work on a mesh for hours and know you fixed a lot of issues that it had. But, then you render and your results are only seemingly marginally improved over your previous renders. But, you know it's better, even if others can't see it.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Jan 17, 2020, 11:19 pmIt's true, though. We all know it. You can work on a mesh for hours and know you fixed a lot of issues that it had. But, then you render and your results are only seemingly marginally improved over your previous renders. But, you know it's better, even if others can't see it.
You are quite correct. I'm certain that we've all experienced that.
I actually was working on a problem on the Enterprise last week ... and inadvertently deleted QUITE a few verts that I didn't mean to touch. I didn't realize it until after I had saved the mesh a few times ... so I had to fix it. That was a lot of fun, I can tell you.
I've done that too, deleted verts I didn't mean to. It's a bitch to fix.
Getting there.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/86Signs-G.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/86Signs-F.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/86Signs-E.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/86Signs-D.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/86Signs-C.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/86Signs-B.png)
I still have to work on the Impulse Engines (obviously), the markings on the upper saucer, markings and lights on the back of the lower saucer, the signs on the bottom of the Engineering hull, and I think I still need to include the markings on the bottom of the Warp Engines, but I'll have to research that to be sure.
Thanks for looking in!
I KNEW there was something wrong when I was posting the last set of images. I was simply too tired last night and didn't notice the incorrect yellow marking on the rear of the BC deck. Sorry.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/86Signs-H.png)
I know I'm not there yet, but getting closer by the hour! The signage is done, except for the numbers on the port side. That should be easy enough.
I still have to work on the Impulse Engines and the "lights" in back of the shuttle bay. But all the rest of the markings are done.
This is an imitation of the only shot done with the 11 foot model of the Enterprise in the first pilot that was reused in so many episodes, including the second pilot, The Corbomite Maneuver, Charlie X, and others. I haven't set the lighting, nor is anything other than the bridge textured yet, but this helps give me an idea if I'm on the right track. I think so.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/86Signs-N.png)
Thanks for looking in!
It's really looking fantastic, Eric. I really like the ship from its pilot appearances.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Jan 19, 2020, 05:18 amIt's really looking fantastic, Eric. I really like the ship from its pilot appearances.
Thank you, Chris!
The pilot shots were used in every episode. The 3 footer was the Enterprise as it whizzed by the camera during the credits! I want every version and I've always told myself I'd make them all, but I never did it. Time to correct that because, well, I'm not getting any younger!
I'm tired and I'm going to get some sleep. Later today, I'll duplicate the markings on the port side. I'll also thin those rear end-cap warp details. I think they are too wide.
Forgive the render from the aft port side. The only times we ever saw something even close to this angle were:
1) The three foot model at the end of The Cage.
2) The shot of the Enterprise as it fired on Lazarus' ship at the end of The Alternative Factor.
After I take care of those two minor details, I'll get started on the texturing.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/86Signs-O.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/86Signs-P.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/86Signs-Q.png)
Thanks for looking in and good night!
She's looking fantastic.
Quote from: scifieric on Jan 19, 2020, 05:42 amThe pilot shots were used in every episode.
For sure. For one thing, how many episodes ended with the shot of the ship flying away from the camera from Where No Man Has Gone Before? A lot. Even if the didn't end with that shot, a lot of them still used it.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Jan 19, 2020, 08:50 amShe's looking fantastic.
For sure. For one thing, how many episodes ended with the shot of the ship flying away from the camera from Where No Man Has Gone Before? A lot. Even if the didn't end with that shot, a lot of them still used it.
Thank you, Chris!
Yep, I love that Where No Man Has Gone Before shot!
Modeling is done.
Now to move on to texturing.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/86Signs-S.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/86Signs-T.png)
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(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/86Signs-W.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/86Signs-X.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/86Signs-Y.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/86Signs-Z.png)
Thank you for looking in!
Fantastic work, bro. Even before texturing, it looks ready for some scenes.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Jan 20, 2020, 12:37 amFantastic work, bro. Even before texturing, it looks ready for some scenes.
Wow! Thank you, Chris!
Very nice Eric
Did a little texturing on the Navigational Deflector / Main Sensor Dish (big dish in front of the Engineering hull) tonight. Last night I came up with my own version of a "glass" shader. It is being used on the bridge dome (upper planetary array), the lower saucer dome (lower planetary array), and the "lit" dome above the shuttle bay. Some may not be aware that the first pilot for Star Trek (The Cage) had no internal lighting at all for the models!
Some people who are paying attention have pointed out some things that I had on this model that technically didn't appear until later. I think I got most of them, but there may be more. If you spot something "wrong", please point it out to me.
I hope to accomplish a little more day-by-day.
Let me know what you think.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/88-TextureDish-A.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/88-ShuttleBayDomeLight-A.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/88-CageCompare-A.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/88-DeflectorDishLowerPlanetSensor-A.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/88-DeflectorDishUpperPlanetSensor-A.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/87Fixes-C.png)
She just getting better and better with each update!
Thank you, Dean! That's kind of you.
Dude, that deflector material is sick. I love the domes too.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Jan 22, 2020, 01:37 pmDude, that deflector material is sick. I love the domes too.
LOL! I'm hoping that a sick material is good?
Thank you, Chris! The warp domes were fairly quick. But the deflector, I spent some serious time on that yesterday. I wound up using my own texture and a principled shader to get CLOSE to what I wanted. I figure, this will do for now.
Working on texturing a little. Neck and upper saucer.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/88-TextureNeckA.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/88-BCDeck-B.png)
I am freaking loving this!!
Looking great, bro.
Quote from: scifieric on Jan 22, 2020, 10:43 pmLOL! I'm hoping that a sick material is good?
Yes. I love it.
Quote from: Freak on Jan 23, 2020, 07:30 amI am freaking loving this!!
Wow, thank you Dean!
Quote from: scifidude79 on Jan 23, 2020, 01:20 pmLooking great, bro.
Yes. I love it.
Ah, good! LOL! I wanted to make sure I was doing things okay! Thank you, Chris!
A little fun and some different settings.
I like that. :)
Love it!
This is 15 years ago. The Enterprise ... and her commander, Captain Christopher Pike.
Just having a little fun.
crazy man.
I love the shader tools now. They match to the ones I use in Godot almost 1:1, blender to live 3D.
Prime_8, that's cool!
I know I keep showing you guys the same angles but with minor changes. Sorry about that. Bridge, BC Deck, saucer section (top and bottom) and Engineering hull are all textured. The neck is a material because I'm still not exactly sure what I want to do with it.
But still, progress.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/91-TextureExp-05.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/91-TextureExp-07.png)
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(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/91-TextureExp-11.png)
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She's looking great, Eric.
Quote from: scifieric on Jan 25, 2020, 06:35 amThis is 15 years ago.
Damn, you were doing work that good in 2005?! I'm jealous. :D
Quote from: scifidude79 on Jan 26, 2020, 10:33 pmDamn, you were doing work that good in 2005?! I'm jealous. :D
LOL!
Thanks Chris!
Someone on another forum said that the model looked like it had been lifted from the original series but without the stars. So, I just couldn't help but have some fun.
(http://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/TheCageIntro001.png)
That looks like a legit screencap.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Jan 27, 2020, 12:43 pmThat looks like a legit screencap.
You, Sir, are the man! Thank you!
i have a ST / scifi nut at work, he's older so he's not to fond of doing too much on computers. i have told him for years to pop by the forums here.
every now and then when he comes in for work he sees i have some page here open ... and he will get a funny look on his face " what episode is that from ". I have explained CG and 3D modelling but, he just likes to look at the pictures.
he always wonders how you get such clean shots of the TV screen. LOL
he loves everything ST, no exceptions. he buys a x-mass ornament every year like 50 or 60$ thing.
Quote from: Prime_8 on Jan 27, 2020, 02:38 pmi have a ST / scifi nut at work, he's older so he's not to fond of doing too much on computers. i have told him for years to pop by the forums here.
every now and then when he comes in for work he sees i have some page here open ... and he will get a funny look on his face " what episode is that from ". I have explained CG and 3D modelling but, he just likes to look at the pictures.
he always wonders how you get such clean shots of the TV screen. LOL
he loves everything ST, no exceptions. he buys a x-mass ornament every year like 50 or 60$ thing.
Ha! He sounds like my age or maybe my Dad.
I hope he likes the pictures!
All right, I'm calling this one done. I may tweak some textures and/or materials at a later date, but I feel that this is fairly representative of the original pilot Enterprise.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/92-Textures-01.png)
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She turned out really nice Eric!
Quote from: Freak on Jan 28, 2020, 07:53 amShe turned out really nice Eric!
Thank you, Dean!
"Fairly representative" he says. Looks like the real deal to me.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Jan 28, 2020, 01:52 pm"Fairly representative" he says. Looks like the real deal to me.
Thank you, my friend!
is it normal to look at a still picture and here the show intro play over and over in my head ? :P
Quote from: Prime_8 on Jan 29, 2020, 02:13 pmis it normal to look at a still picture and here the show intro play over and over in my head ? :P
It is for me! LOL!
Here's one just for fun.
That render looks fantastic, Eric.
Quote from: Prime_8 on Jan 29, 2020, 02:13 pmis it normal to look at a still picture and here the show intro play over and over in my head ? :P
Yep, totally normal.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Jan 29, 2020, 11:43 pmThat render looks fantastic, Eric.
Yep, totally normal.
Thank you, Chris!
Quote from: Prime_8 on Jan 29, 2020, 02:13 pmis it normal to look at a still picture and here the show intro play over and over in my head ? :P
I thought that was the case for everyone! ;)
Once again nice Eric.
Thank you, Dean!
well, it's just nice to know I'm not alone in that. :P
Quote from: Prime_8 on Feb 01, 2020, 01:47 amwell, it's just nice to know I'm not alone in that. :P
Not at all!
Having a little fun.
Something similar to the first time we were supposed to see the USS Enterprise.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/ShipAndStarsPike001.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/Enterprise004.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/Enterprise001A.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/Enterprise003.png)
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/Enterprise002.png)
More fun.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/TheCage03.png)
pretty snazzy there cappn'
looks like you stole a model from the set.
Quote from: Prime_8 on Feb 02, 2020, 02:33 pmpretty snazzy there cappn'
looks like you stole a model from the set.
Scott, you are the best! Thank you!
Admit it Eric, that last one was just a screen grab.
Quote from: Freak on Feb 03, 2020, 12:16 pmAdmit it Eric, that last one was just a screen grab.
LOL! In my eyes, that one has a lot of problems, but thank you Dean!
Quote from: Freak on Feb 03, 2020, 12:16 pmAdmit it Eric, that last one was just a screen grab.
He'll never admit it. I've been trying to get him to for a while now. ;)
sometimes I wonder if he takes the time to place every star ... na'... no .. surely .. hmm maybe?
(JK)
Quote from: scifidude79 on Feb 03, 2020, 01:27 pmQuote from: Freak on Feb 03, 2020, 12:16 pmAdmit it Eric, that last one was just a screen grab.
He'll never admit it. I've been trying to get him to for a while now. ;)
Ha! You guys are the best! That's the greatest compliment I can think of. I really appreciate it.
Quote from: Prime_8 on Feb 03, 2020, 04:04 pmsometimes I wonder if he takes the time to place every star ... na'... no .. surely .. hmm maybe?
(JK)
I used to! Now, I have a little scene I created where I can just change the number of stars I want Blender to generate and then I place a camera. When I get something close to what I want, I render! Easy!
Quote from: scifieric on Feb 03, 2020, 10:52 pmI used to! Now, I have a little scene I created where I can just change the number of stars I want Blender to generate and then I place a camera. When I get something close to what I want, I render! Easy!
Interesting. Actual modeled stars or just a procedural environment? I use a procedural in Lightwave, or I just throw an image of stars I make in GIMP in the background. Depends on my needs. :)
^^^
me >> Mind >>>> blown
Quote from: scifidude79 on Feb 03, 2020, 11:14 pmInteresting. Actual modeled stars or just a procedural environment? I use a procedural in Lightwave, or I just throw an image of stars I make in GIMP in the background. Depends on my needs. :)
Modeled stars. As a matter of fact, they do not even give off light. My camera has it's own child point light. This way, stars appear and disappear rather like the original series. For other uses, like trying to look like a "real" starscape, then emissive points and considerably fewer stars.
Quote from: Prime_8 on Feb 04, 2020, 01:11 am^^^
me >> Mind >>>> blown
Cool.
i'm a mix i suppose too . i use a app that makes a sky box proceduraly .
then i mush it all together . LOL
Quote from: scifieric on Feb 04, 2020, 01:56 pmModeled stars. As a matter of fact, they do not even give off light. My camera has it's own child point light. This way, stars appear and disappear rather like the original series. For other uses, like trying to look like a "real" starscape, then emissive points and considerably fewer stars.
That's cool stuff. :)
Quote from: Prime_8 on Feb 04, 2020, 03:14 pmi'm a mix i suppose too . i use a app that makes a sky box proceduraly .
then i mush it all together . LOL
That's awesome! We've all got our "shortcuts" I imagine!
Quote from: scifidude79 on Feb 04, 2020, 10:46 pmThat's cool stuff. :)
Thanks Chris!
I grabbed a shot from the Roddenberry Vault blu ray set. It was a picture of the 11 foot Enterprise being filmed. I made the background entirely black, and cropped out the guy who was crouching below the model and I turned it into one of my rotating desktop backgrounds.
I asked my wife how she liked that one shot and she asked if it was one of mine. I laughed and told her that it was the real thing from back in the day. She peered at it hard, then said, "It looks like one of yours." and she walked away. So, I've tried to make a similar image with my old USS Enterprise. All done in Blender with a little "film grain" noise added in Blender.
Dude that is freaking awesome!
I really like that you captured that green tint that the ship sometimes had.
also captured the effect of your ship on me . Like your Wife, I'm now more inclined to assume still shots are of yours .
Quote from: Freak on Feb 05, 2020, 07:36 amDude that is freaking awesome!
Dean, you are very kind! Thank you!
Quote from: scifidude79 on Feb 05, 2020, 01:30 pmI really like that you captured that green tint that the ship sometimes had.
Thank you, Chris! It is one of the Blender Color Management choices (actually, about three choices to get to this result, plus gamma and exposure settings). I appreciate the kind words!
Quote from: Prime_8 on Feb 05, 2020, 02:15 pmalso captured the effect of your ship on me . Like your Wife, I'm now more inclined to assume still shots are of yours .
Thank you, Scott!
There was a shot similar to this in the opening credits of The Cage, but it was shot with the three foot model. This is to see what it might have looked like with the 11 foot model. All done in Blender 3D, of course.
(https://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/pilotfront01starsA.png)
Thanks for looking in!
I love that shot. Both the original and yours.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Feb 07, 2020, 05:13 amI love that shot. Both the original and yours.
Thank you, Chris! You're very kind!
Yeah, I've always loved the original shot. It was reused in the titles for the Animated Series too!
Tallguy saw this image on another forum and asked for a "clean" version of it.
(http://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/pilotfront01starsB.png)
nice man
^ Agreed!
Thanks to you both!
Not feeling so great, but the last night of call. So, I thought I'd make this image with my latest Enterprise, imaging if the pilot The Cage was shot in HD ... back in the day.
(http://3dscifi.com/ericimages/2019enterprise/Purple001ShipAndStars01.png)
Stunning as always Eric.
looks pretty sharp man .
Once again, amazing work! Almost expect to see Captain Pike as you travel up and over the main bridge.
Quote from: Tralfaz on Feb 26, 2020, 02:45 pmOnce again, amazing work! Almost expect to see Captain Pike as you travel up and over the main bridge.
Thank you, my friend! Exactly what I was going for!
that would be pretty cool .
? how much detail can you push into a mesh . :P
* thinks of hiding a tribble in the corner of a room some place #
He could definitely model a bridge and put it in there, make some people and put them in there. The question is whether it's worth the effort. Of course, the other thing would just be to fake it in post like they did originally. ;)
Quote from: Prime_8 on Feb 27, 2020, 04:56 pmthat would be pretty cool .
? how much detail can you push into a mesh . :P
* thinks of hiding a tribble in the corner of a room some place #
Actually, that would be pretty funny!
Quote from: scifidude79 on Feb 27, 2020, 11:21 pmHe could definitely model a bridge and put it in there, make some people and put them in there. The question is whether it's worth the effort. Of course, the other thing would just be to fake it in post like they did originally. ;)
Yeah, that's pretty much the plan!
Had a little fun this evening.
(http://3dscifi.com/ericimages/enterprise/93-BackDepart-ShipAndStarsA.png)
gotta love a good arse pic. :P
gotta love the old functional-looking shuttle ball/bay.
Thanks, Scott? LOL!
Yeah, this is the Pike Enterprise and didn't have a detailed shuttle bay, yet.
I need to do the WNMHGB version next. And I really should learn version 2.8, I guess.
2.8 will feel familiar rite quick
and you can make the UI ver 2.7 like.
Quote from: scifieric on Apr 26, 2020, 02:33 pmAnd I really should learn version 2.8, I guess.
If you really feel the need to. 2.79b still has a lot going for it.
Quote from: Prime_8 on Apr 26, 2020, 08:02 pm2.8 will feel familiar rite quick
and you can make the UI ver 2.7 like.
Yeah. I can see from my initial foray this afternoon that there are some similarities.
Quote from: scifidude79 on Apr 26, 2020, 09:28 pmQuote from: scifieric on Apr 26, 2020, 02:33 pmAnd I really should learn version 2.8, I guess.
If you really feel the need to. 2.79b still has a lot going for it.
True! I really like 2.79b. I like it a LOT!
the last 2.8 wa sbetter at reverting some UI to 2.7 era like functionality
Sweet as always mate!
Thank you, Dean! And thank you, Scott!